Heather Parady, Creative, Therapist, Human

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then it's a gateway drug  into personal development.

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Welcome to another episode of Chewing the Fat. I am your host, Big Robb. Thank you so much for tuning in, downloading the podcast. I certainly do appreciate that. Thanks to the folks that have bought me a coffee at ChewingtheFatBR.com. It really does help support the podcast, keep us going. It's all about helping folks tell their messy, beautiful human stories. And I've got another beautiful human in front of me right now. Heather Parady in from outside of Atlanta. Thank you so much for being here. I really do appreciate it.

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It's an honor. Thanks for having me. Oh, thank you so much.  Heather and I met uh years ago,  and we didn't really realize that we had met years ago, but it was through our friend Travis Brown uh doing some podcast  things and  social media stuff and all like that.  And then come to find out we're actually not that far  from each other  up the road uh towards Atlanta from where I am.  we've already made plans to...

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grab an IRL coffee or something like that. uh But Heather is  a great  storyteller  and uh content creator. I just love the work that you do and the care that you put into it.  So that's why I want to have you here. again, thank you so much for being here. uh How did you get started in storytelling as it is?  Well, thank you for having me.

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show and the work you're doing is so important.  And I will get more into that piece later. But  storytelling, I don't know, man.  I don't know. I don't know how I'm here, what I'm doing most of the time. I'm literally almost 40. I'm like, I should have more stuff figured out than I do right now. And I'm like,  what's happening? Because originally, wanted to  my whole life, I wanted to be in ministry. You know, even since I was a little girl,  I

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used to preach to my teddy bears. And then when it was time for me to graduate, I went to a ministry school thing. And that was the intention of my life. And through a series of events, I left the church and still wanted to help people. So I went to school and got my master's in mental health counseling and pursued therapy for a while.

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then realize I needed therapy.  It's funny to go to be a therapist and everybody ends up crying in class and realizing we all need therapy. em And  then I realized that wasn't for me. That's another,  I think I'm just a serial try things out. em But I think the through line through it all was  this idea of  figuring out what it means to be a human and trying to connect closer and closer to that.

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There were a series of events. I got involved in a bunch of crazy  creators in the Atlanta area and started hanging out with people who were making art and  just alternative ways of serving folks. And I just fell in love with the power of storytelling and creativity. And I think it's a, for me, it's been a  less intrusive way to  help people in the sense of it's less of putting yourself into a savior role.

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like ministry was  or,  you know,  with therapy was amazing, but also too, it's one to one and I'm more of a one to many kind of gal.  And so I've landed in it and it's felt really good in the season of my life to figure out how do we bridge  the gap between you and me. And even though we may vote differently or look different, um there's something that can happen  mystically, I believe in  storytelling.

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that we start to see one another in that and it's a way to heal the world and that sounds dramatic and it's not always that dramatic but it's also hella fun too. So I didn't mention that part. Yeah, yeah, yeah.  As you're talking about it and I think  I just clicked in my brain that I think you may be the first professional mental health therapist that I've actually had on...

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on this  mental health podcast. have a lot of friends here in the therapy world, so if you want to interview more, I got a list for you.  appreciate that. Well, you know, but my thing is, not necessarily about,  yes, the mental health is part of it, but the fact that we,  like you said, everybody goes through it, everybody needs a little therapy, everybody needs a little help with something.  And that's what this podcast is about, is for people to not feel so alone.

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when those feelings come in and they rush over you and you feel like you're tumbling in that wave, just realize that there's other people that are tumbling in the waves with you. So it's easier to kind of grab hold and  get yourself up out of that water. So, but I think  this is great because I know you're going to have a great perspective on that.  You're outside of the Atlanta area, is that kind of home base for you? ah

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Yeah, I spent most of my life in Arkansas, a small stint in Springfield, Missouri, where I did the ministry thing. uh My husband's in the military, so of course we got stationed outside of here. uh But he's not active. And so we've made the decision now to stay here just because it feels like home. It's just a perfect place to raise kids. It's a little hard doing it without family.  know, my  family's 12 hours away from me.  So that's  difficult. But um

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I just know in my gut this is where we're supposed to be. No, I love that. I love that. So, um, when you were coming up in school, you said you wanted to go into ministry. What was that influence? Was that from parents? Was that just you were, you were the, you know, were you a preacher's kid where you just, you just were always surrounded by that or what? I had a kind of weird childhood in the sense that I was homeschooled my entire life and I

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lived a very, very,  very,  very sheltered life.  Very.  And I don't mean sheltered from just TV movies that you're just to watch. talking about we didn't leave the house, hardly. um I spent the majority of my childhood literally  alone with my sister in our four walls.  And there's a variety of reasons for that. So our education wasn't  up to standard. We'll put it, I'll put it that way.

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And so, to be honest with you, there was, I believe, a calling there. I just felt it. My parents were kind of religious. I always was curious about the supernatural world and the spirit realm and the things that you couldn't see. But also, I realized that I don't think there was another, I felt like there was another option for me because growing up in a very small town, Southern Bible Belt,

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without an education, without exposure.  What  the  options were was you get married and you become a stay at home wife.  And my goal was to marry somebody who was obviously in ministry.  And  I always felt stupid too. I didn't feel like there was really, uh I didn't have anything to bring. I  didn't think that clearly back then. It's only been through a lot of like inner work that I've kind of learned that.

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Genuinely from the bottom of my heart. It did not occur to me that I could have  a career or any kind of path outside of being someone's wife  Until I was almost 30

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when you... So you  went to  college though, right? mean... I did. I went through. uh In my mid-20s,  I  decided to go to college. I had a friend of mine  who, you I told them,  I want to travel and tell the Lord about Jesus. And  I was really stuck on that. And they said, well, that's great, Heather. This guy, grew up...

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where his family talked to him about careers.  said, but you have to have something of value that you bring people. If you want to help people, you need a skill set. What's your skill set? I'm like, I don't need a skill set. I'm just going to preach the gospel. And he's like, well, that's great. But these other countries you want to go to, because for some reason, and I don't know your beliefs and I don't want to offend anybody, but  there's  just kind of this savior mentality that we come in and just, need to go in and give information to people.  And then all of their problems are free. You know, it doesn't matter that they're

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you know, they're sick or they're dying or they're poor,  know, it's something like the tangible things.  But,  he kind of persuaded me like, Hey, you need a skillset. So I decided, Hey, I'm going to go to school and see if I can learn  something.  But I went and took, you know, the entry exam to get into school and I failed it. I was really, really below what, which makes sense that I was.  So I had to take developmental classes.

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at a community college in Arkansas, shows you how bad I was doing. And just worked my ass off, man. I spent several years just getting my associates, then my bachelors, and then close to the 30-year mark, I decided, I think I'm getting these ages right. I'm probably skewing it little bit, but decided to do mental health therapy. Yep.

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an amazing journey from, like you said, where you started and where you were siloed in  your young, young life, in those formative years,  and then  because of what you wanted to do, that's what helped you to move out of that to get into college.  That was the motivating factor. It wasn't necessarily that you  didn't want to be  the wife

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that you had always thought, but that you wanted to preach the gospel as it were. And so that's what drove you to go to seek out and to get your education and then to be able to, and you know, that's the thing is when you go to different places, your mind gets expanded. You meet other people, you meet other cultures, you meet other, you know, takeout restaurants. It's, you know, it's all kind of all of the stuff that helps make you such a well-rounded person. And I think that's...

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I think that's amazing that,  that it wasn't the normal path that you would think that you weren't necessarily that  driven type A blah, I'm going to go and you know, it's like you, you were, there was an empathy in you that actually drove you into that moment. The empathy of wanting to share the gospel basically.  Right. That's right. I think that's, I think that's amazing.

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You said something important you said the word exposure and I didn't realize it at the time but it became just a crucial piece of my story was  Getting exposed to other trains of thought other people folks who had different color skin than me had different religions than me  and I just didn't grow up in that I grew up with people who were in the same  pay bracket same thing same thought process same everything  and I started traveling a little bit and uh

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I am such a big advocate for leaving your home, even if it's for a little bit and coming back home, that's fine. But traveling a little bit, sitting with people who you strongly disagree with and keeping your mouth shut and listening. I think it's one of the biggest disconnects in our world right now. It's not that everybody's evil. It's just that we haven't listened to each other. Yeah. Yeah. You know, and that's, that's a

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Big thing that you run into, like you said, when there's misunderstandings, people are listening to respond as opposed to listening to understand. They want to, it's like, I'm letting you talk just so that I can jump in and say what I already have planned. I have no idea what you're saying. I'm planning what I'm gonna say as opposed to listening to process and to take time to sit in silence after somebody says something.

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Mm-hmm, then continue the conversation with understanding. Yes. Yes. Well So now you're You've got these experiences you're you've decided that you know that ministry is not necessary  standard  Ministry because I think what you do is a ministry good way of wording it You know  that the traditional right  look of ministry was not what you wanted to do And now you've got

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a uh great  following  and  you put these  nuggets  of information out into the world through your Instagram and through um your videos and things like that. How did that part come into play? I fell in love with the online space and  media  because it became,  it was a  lifesaver for me when

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I started in college and kind of pursuing that route. I had started a small little business on the side. I'd gotten married and uh we needed  extra income. And plus I picked up a camera and just loved shooting pictures. I always did that. So  I started listening. You know how we do when you start a business, you start  looking up, how do you run a business? How do you do this stuff? then it's a gateway drug  into personal development.

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I'd never heard anything personal development wise  ever.  when I started listening to podcasts like yours,  this was goodness. I don't know. I don't know. 10, 15 years ago, I was like,  oh  my God,  you can change your life.  can  literally shift everything.

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Granted now that I'm a little mature and older. I realize that it's not always that cookie cutter and easy But it was the first time I had heard anybody just kind of present this idea that You can the hand cards that you were dealt in your hand You could actually make some badass moves with and so it came really really just addicted to personal development I read so many books. I was constantly listening to podcasts. It was just like the greatest thing and

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I was grateful for people who got on microphones like you because it was exposure. You know what I mean? Like people who might not have access to rich friends, who might not have money to go to take all these expensive courses, free content could reach anyone. And I was like, I could reach anyone if I got a microphone and I did what we're doing right now. And it was terrible. I went to Walmart and I got a $10 headset. I Googled how to record.

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I Googled what iTunes was. didn't even know what iTunes was. And I started just putting out these horrible pieces of content. It was just like, Hey, my name's Heather. Do you know you could change your life? just learned, I mean, was just horrible, ridiculous, but I just haven't stopped doing it. And I've gotten better and better and I have a long, long way to go. But you know, so I just put out content for several years, horrible pieces of content. And then a couple of years ago,

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I've tried so many different formats. People will tell you, you need to do videos, you need to do blogs.  I've tried everything. um And one day I got really frustrated because I was just pouring my heart out. was putting hours and hours and hours and I have family now, I have kids.  I'm trying to make money.  I'm busy. Everybody's busy. And it's just like, what the  F are we doing? Like, does this matter?

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Are people listening to this? Are they watching it? And I wasn't seeing like the tangible results I wanted to see. And so I got mad and pouty and I decided, I said, I'm going to sit in this chair. I saw this chair in my corner and I'm going to sit in it and I'm not going to get up until I figure out what I'm actually trying to say here. So it's kind of punishing myself, know, and being pouty. The first video I did in it where I was just doing what, what would I always do? Like me and you were going to go get coffee soon.

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And you'll see me do this. I'll be like, you know what? That reminds me of this thing I just  heard or this thing I read. So I making videos like that and they've just worked.  But it's forced me to really learn how to tell story in a single format. um And I'll stop here, but I think in storytelling,  it's really helpful to add  restraints  to what you're doing. Cause sometimes we just throw up our heart everywhere.

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as opposed to putting it into a format where we can get really micro with how we're  becoming better. Does that make sense? It's kind of the thing where, you know, if you give people too many options,  there's a paralysis because they want to analyze all of the options. Where if you give them fewer options, fewer viewpoints, fewer directions, know, fewer turns in the story, it's easier to stay on track with that. Right.

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as opposed to just throwing everything out there all at once. But then to your point, that's creating now as opposed to one story that has 14 points. You can have 14 single point stories that you put out. Right. know what mean? Exactly. And the audience that needs it will find the one that works for them.

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Yes, correct. You know, as opposed to turning everyone off because that one had everything in it they just didn't know what to make of it.  So  less is more kind of mentality. uh Focus  on what you're doing. I love that. I love that. And for now, what's  what are you what are you doing now? What are your what's  it? Do you do it? I know you got like the the do you it in a series? Do you?

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What's your niche as they say right now for you that's really... my content? Share your free content that's really working for you. So, I mentioned personal development really changed my life. I'm not really religious anymore. know, people say that. I don't go to church, but I believe so deeply in God and...

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calling and that we're here for a reason and yada yada. um But that's really deep and that's really heavy for a lot of social media. So my intention right now is to be a gateway drug for that stuff,  for people who aren't into it. And so I lead a lot with things that people are interested in.  you know, like  later this afternoon, I'm posting a reel on uh James Gunn, the director of Superman and the story about him.

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Right now Superman just came out, so it's a trending topic. So I'm hooking people in with something that they're interested in, but I'm bringing it back to something that I'm actually trying to say. And used to what I would do is I'd try to force like Jesus, God, spirituality, personal development, yada, yada, yada, and people's face. And they're not looking for that unless they're looking for it. But what if we could find things that people are looking for and get creative and through storytelling, figure out how to loop it back.

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So look, mental health, know, if you're,  mean, mental health is a pretty big topic. People are always looking for that. But let's say, let's say it's like something super micro, like  communication with your spouse. People don't really run across something about that unless they're looking for it.  But if you loop it into,  you know, Justin Bieber and Hailey Bieber right now, what's going on in their marriage, and then you loop it back into a principal, the mental health,  then it's going to

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a wider audience. So that's what I'm going for right now. uh I want to make spirituality more mainstream and  bring people into it because regardless of where they land from a language perspective, uh connection to source God, universe for me, it's been,  it's everything.  It's everything.

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Heather, for you, what's bringing you joy right now? It's so funny you said that because I really wrote in my journal this morning, really reflecting right now of who am I being who I want to be or am I being who other people expect me to be. And I wrote down, who is it that you really want to be? And the first thing I put down is I want to have fun. So it's really funny you're saying that. Like, what is bringing me joy?

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Obviously my daughters are bringing me joy. I'm getting to spend summer with them.  It's hard, but it's also awesome.  I'm writing a script right now.  It's first time writing like a  something that's completely fiction and it's been so hard and it's been the worst thing.  But I'm finding so much joy in that like trying to break out of  Heather's  talking head nonfiction side into something that's purely  fictional, you know. em

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I'm finding joy in.

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I feel like, God, I'm grown, I have...

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two kids, a husband, I'm a freaking grown up, but I feel like I'm really trying to return back to the kid, Heather, more and more  and remembering who.

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she was  and honoring that a little bit more.  If that makes sense. And that sounds like some woo woo inner child stuff, but.  it makes perfect sense.  Um, you know, I think we all in our lives have done things that have turned us into people who are  little selves,  maybe would have never thought and maybe would never want. And sometimes we need to honor our

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that inner child, that six-year-old Heather, that six-year-old Rob, because they had the world open to them. And could be anything. Those were the days when you could be an astronaut, or president, or first person on Mars, or whatever it was. Teacher, doctor, whatever. There were no limitations.

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And as we get older, we put these limitations on us  through just society,  through our own um low self-talk, things like that. And we put those restrictions on us. And I think there's something beautiful about and joyful in trying to honor  that  younger version of ourself in their wonder of what could be, in their ability to

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imagine without boundaries of what life could be for them. So I think it's beautiful. don't know you well enough to know the answer to this, but I'm curious, would you classify yourself as a really intuitive person? Do you know like the two things I wanted to be as a little kid was an astronaut and the president?

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That's the example you use I swear to God I would read all the books about astronauts and being a president because those are two things I wanted to be It's never too late so It's weird like I'm meeting I'm feel emotional and we're talking about joy, but I'm finding a lot of I Just feel really I don't know. I'm damn God you're good at this dude. You should be a therapist

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We talked earlier about, you know, parents and aging and  kind of getting into this weird point in life where you're having to let go of a lot of things that kind of was your identity and then really questioning what your real identity is now.  And it's funny you're saying joy because although this has been super painful kind of going through, you know, letting go, I've disappointed a lot of my family this year and the way I voted or

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Some of the things I'm trying to stand up for online that I see as wrong. I disappointed a lot of people leaving the church and not going that route. I mean, there's a list of things that as I mature and I'm getting older, I'm trying to be more honest about. And it's been super painful, but honestly, it's felt so good for the first time to feel like open hands. Here I am. All cards are on the table.

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I'm being as honest as I can be. And  ironically, even though I feel like I'm to start bawling my eyes out, it is  bringing me a lot of joy.

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This is the second segment of the show is where we're gonna dive a little bit deeper into your mental health journey I definitely believe the more that we can talk about it the easier it is for us all to get through this because You depression anxiety those things that they start to weigh on us One of the things they want to do is tell us that we're alone in the way that we feel and we're the only ones that feel that way The more that we hear other people talking about that the easier it is

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for us to actually move through that and realize that we're not alone. So for you, how do you keep the darkness at bay?

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Folks  who know me, who follow me closely are always really shocked to hear, because they're like, you are such a positive person,  yadda. And I'm like, you have no idea how much work it takes  for me to be positive. I am positive, yes. And I'm a light, yes. And I have passion and lit up AF, dude.  Yes, it's true, it's honest, but that is a direct result of insane discipline.

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of getting up every morning, getting a cup of coffee,  reading,  journaling,  meditating, sitting in silence,  full stop. And that is not some cutesy-wootsy little thing. It's Heather, you know, the Bible talks about renewing your mind.  It's literally renewing my mind because I cut my... I mean, like everybody,  I think everybody comes from this now, but  a long line of addiction and mental health issues,  very small thinking.

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I've  really dealt with anxiety hardcore over the past,  really through my adult life, like just  almost to a point debilitating, you know,  and  the  morning times are so crucial for me. If I miss it,  everybody knows I missed it because it's different.  So  how do I keep the darkness out that? And then also I do a lot of running.

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I like to run,  for some reason, and I haven't dug into the science enough,  for me and my body,  the way that I'm able to release  something, it comes out through a lot of sweat and hitting the pavement. I started running when I was about 14, 15, when some  really bad stuff was going on in my family. I just went outside and ran,  and I haven't stopped. I'm  almost 40, and I run constantly. those  things.

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I don't think people  realize  that the folks who are putting out positive content or  shedding a lot on mental health or any of this stuff  struggle just as much.

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period. Yeah. Yeah.  I mean it is because it is hard. It's like the reason I started this podcast is because I do deal with this stuff because it does weigh heavy on me  and  I didn't want other people to feel that and feel that they were alone in it. That's why I decided to start this. uh You know, that's what they say is, you know, you're,

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Always check on your strong friends check on your happy friends check on your funny friends because you don't know what that's masking You don't know what they are dealing with because like oh, you're always so funny It's like yeah, but also deal with the stuff that everybody else deals with But you know  my thing is I feel I've felt that but and I don't want anybody else to feel that way So that's why I try to be positive and uplifting and funny and and being able to do those things so that

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other people don't have to experience that.  But sometimes it's the only way you can  get through it is to feel it. Absolutely.  And you're  running,  it's not that you're running away from anything. It's that movement of your body, connecting it to your mind. And it can be a clearing thing. It could be a meditative thing.

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whether you think think about the stuff that's going on or you plan other things or you just completely just present in the moment listening to your body, listening to your breath, listening to your feet on the pavement or whatever it is,  those things can help. And of course, you know, being out in the sun and  know, vitamin D and getting that also helps as well.  Um, and, and I don't think there's, I don't think there's any wrong way to deal with

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these things.  I'm dealing with grief now with the loss of my mother.  there's no wrong way to grieve.  It's just however you grieve. That's what it is. It's just how you process it. And I think  being able to  find something that helps you to deal with things, think that's the ultimate thing we can do for ourselves.

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Absolutely. And sometimes it takes trying these other things.  Sometimes it takes trying... Some people just sit in the darkness. Right. And look at it.  like, okay, and talk to it and accept it and understand that it's there.  In the idea that they're gonna move through it. Right. Some people move, some people  journal. I just started journaling myself  after the loss of my mother.  And it's a, you know, it's been helpful in times when there are these thoughts that you just need to...

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get out. Right. um Is there something you found that you that people use more often than others? um You know?

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that maybe is a...

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an  easier entry point necessarily to start the work.

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I think the  end goal  really is  figuring out how can I tap into real presence,  which sounds so easy and it's so difficult  to do with our overstimulated culture and erasing minds and so forth. So the question is, is how do we enter into

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presence.  For me, I need silence. spend a lot of time alone.  Running's alone for me. The morning times are alone for my husband. He's very handy and likes to work and do certain things, which, you know, I would have a tendency to judge because I'm like, you need to spend more time reading and meditating and sitting in silence, but that drives him nuts. He needs to be working with his hands,  you know, so.

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What's the best way for people to  back into that? think it really is just a matter of self-awareness  and um also  being unapologetic about taking the time to do it because I don't know if you're like me, time is a very weird thing  where we can get  into  a very panicky  mode of I don't have a lot of time.

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when it's weird, I'm a woo girl. I don't know if you know that, so I'm about to get weird on you, but time actually  bends and moves in very weird ways  when we can get more more present. I'm  practicing this right now where,  you know, I'm not remarkable over here. I have a running to do list just for today. And so I'm like,  you know,  you know, and trying to figure out how to cram it all. But it's really weird because if I can practice getting really present with you  and not worrying about

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one o'clock, two o'clock, three o'clock, whatever, it's like I end up getting more done and it's a lot more fun, but there's this weird release that has to happen. So I'm getting back to your question, like how do people get into it? You have to ask yourself, when do I  feel the most present and grounded? And then  being unapologetic about making  time for that.

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All right, this is the third second of the show. It's time now for the Fast Five. The Fast Five is time now for the Fast Five. Fast Five, sorry, I'm still working on theme song for that. It's only been five seasons, but you know, one of these days. The Fast Five is powered by Poddx. It's an app created by our friend Travis Brown.

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If you go to chewingthefatbr.com slash pod decks, it'll take you to the link where you can download the app. It's made for podcasters, but they're great icebreaker questions as well.  No wrong answers. First thing that comes to the top of your mind. You ready? Yep.  Question number one.

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What would you like to accomplish in the next year? Film. Finish the freaking... I'm about to start cussing film. I've been dragging my ass in...  It is so hard, dude. Have you ever written a script? I mean, I've written a short, so... Don't do... Okay, well don't ever do it again.  I got... I had a friend who wrote a film. It took us 10 years to get it done. Good God, it is... It's...  Yeah, yeah. No... I'm gonna finish it though. I'm going to.

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Well, if you need any help, know some folks who... might suck. But you'll have done it. I've done it. I'll That's awesome. I love it. I love it. Question number two.

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What's the best compliment you ever received?

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I just think anytime  my kids,  it's my oldest daughter. She says that she can talk to me about anything.  That means a lot to me. I don't have that kind of relationship, you know, with people in my life.  And to kind of break that generational thing and have a close relationship, means the world to me.

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Question number three.

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Sweet or salty? Both.  I like food. Okay, so it's kind of a kettle corn kind of thing.  I just mean like I'll eat something salty then eat something sweet and then go just go in rotation.  Both. I love it.  Question number four.

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Do you like to plan things out in detail or be more spontaneous? Plan in detail. Yeah?  I have a huge... You know the big ass calendar?  Jesse Itzler, I got that right over there. I got a spreadsheet open over here.  I mean, I am the most... It's crippling almost. Yeah. Okay, okay. I'm more the spontaneous person. It annoys my wife, but you know. Well, have fun with that. Enjoy your life while others just suffer. Question number five.

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Kind of a opposite of the last question, but what makes you lose track of time?  Mexican restaurants. Really? I go out every Friday night  as we go out as a family and  my kids hate it. That's probably, they're going to be in therapy one day about it. But uh me and my husband will sit there and I will just, I always get a big ass margarita and I sit there and I talk and talk and I've unloaded my whole week and it drives him nuts. But man.

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I love it. And it's chips.  They just go, you want more chips? I'm like, yes.  God, Mexican restaurants. love that.  Well, that is question number five. And that is the show. Thank you so much for being here, Heather. This was fun. You made me cry. Made me laugh. This is a  hell of a time in 40 minutes, Lord.  Heather, if folks want to keep up with you, what's the best way they can do that?  At Heather Parody pretty much anywhere.  At Heather Parody.

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pretty much anywhere. All right, I'll make sure to put those links in the show notes. Again, Heather, thank you so much for being here. I appreciate you and appreciate what you are doing for folks. And I look forward to our coffee coming soon. Can I say one more thing? You sure can. If you're listening to this show and you like it and you get anything out of it and you have not left this man a review, can you please leave a five star review? I'll make sure I do that today.

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Podcasting and putting out content is a hell of a lot of work. So props to you and I hope anybody listening will help support it because it's a labor for sure.  Thank you so much. I really appreciate that.  It's hard for people to leave reviews. I'm gonna help you out.  Again, I appreciate that.  If you would like to support this podcast, I'd appreciate it you bought me a coffee at chewingthefatbr.com.  But until next time, I look forward to the chance we have to sit a spell and chew the fat.